Saturday, September 13, 2025

The Assassination of Charlie Kirk, Conclusion

I've been told that the nasty rhetoric mostly comes from the right.  I do not buy that at all.  Biden was a nasty President.  And, while Obama spoke more nicely, his words were often anything but.  However, I am certainly not going to assert that there is zero nasty rhetoric coming from the right.  I have often cringed at some of the things Trump has said.  But which side is more violent?

After George Floyd was killed, there were nationwide riots, with looting and burning.  There was an estimated $2 billion in property damage.  Some estimate the number of deaths as between one and two dozen.  Since Charlie Kirk was killed?  Anyone see conservatives rioting, burning and looting.  How about Occupy Wall Street?  Fights with police.  Claims of sexual assault and other crimes.  Usually left their protest areas a filthy mess.  The Tea Party?  Peaceful, neat and orderly. 

In a poll from the Network Contagion Research Institute, based at Rutgers University, they found that 55% of self-identified left of center respondents said it was at least somewhat justified to murder President Trump, vs 20.3% on the right.  15% said it was completely justified.  48% felt it was somewhat justified to murder Elon Musk, vs 14.3% on the right.  And 59% said it was somewhat acceptable to destroy a Tesla dealership, vs 23.6% on the right.  In a YouGov poll, 14% of Democrats said it was sometimes justified to use violence to achieve political goals, compared with 6% of Republicans.  We have a serious problem in this country. 

However, the biggest problem may be generational.  According to a survey by the Foundation For Individual Rights and Expression, each generation was asked if political violence is never acceptable.  93% of Baby Boomers agreed never acceptable.  But that number decreased in each generation.  86% of Gen X agreed political violence was never acceptable.  That decreased further with millenials at 71%.  And Gen Z?  Only 58% agreed that political violence was never acceptable.  (The alleged shooter of Kirk is 22 years old, part of Gen Z.)  Clearly, these younger people have not been taught about Free Speech.  About the First Amendment forming the basis of our democracy.  They have been taught that they are entitled to "safe spaces" in order to avoid speech they find objectionable.  College age kids!  The age of many of our soldiers. 

This hatred from the Left towards those who hold opposing viewpoints, certainly reminded me of my own experience.  During Trump's first campaign, a friend of 25 years yelled in my face about the election; and when I refused to promise that I would not vote for Trump, he loudly yelled "I'm done with you" as he walked away.  A colleague got in my face in Court, and I thought he was going to start beating on me.  A friend of 45 years decided he could no longer talk to me.  And one of my first bosses, a man who my wife and I were quite fond of, decided I was not good enough to speak with or be around.  Basically, all these people were no different from those who called Kirk a "piece of shit."  And they believe they have the moral high ground.  

Then there are the extended family members who have not been willing to speak with me, or attend any family events with me in attendance, since the November, 2024 election.  I have had people on the right disagree with me quite a bit.  But none stopped being friends with me.  Rather, they have tried to persuade me as to why they believed I was wrong.  Now, you can argue my experience is anecdotal only.  But clearly something is going on here.  

I've said it many times before.  Many Democrats, who think of themselves as liberal, have actually become leftists.  Leftists do not value free speech.  They do not believe in the First Amendment.  Rather, they are willing to ban what they deem to be "offensive" speech.  A quote usually attributed to Voltaire says:  "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."  And, in my post on Classical Liberalism, from July 17, 2016, I quote John Stuart Mill on speech.  "If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind."  But those views of Voltaire and Mill were the views of classical liberals.  Few and far between in today's Democratic Party; but those are views commonly held by Republicans.

Of all of our political leaders who have commented on Charlie Kirk's assassination, believe it or not Bernie Sanders said it best.  "Freedom and democracy is not about political violence.  It is not about assassinating public officials.  It is not about trying to intimidate people who speak out on an issue.  Political violence, in fact, is political cowardice.  It means that you cannot convince people  of the correctness of your ideas, and you have to impose them through force.  We must welcome and respect dissenting points of view.  That's what our Constitution is about, that's what our Bill of Rights is about.  That, in fact, is what freedom is about."  And that is what Charlie Kirk was all about - a free and open exchange of ideas.    


8 comments:

  1. Did I miss the posts on the attacks of Paul Pelosi, Josh Shapiro, Melissa Hortman, and John Hoffman?

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    1. No. Nor did I mention the 2 attempts on Trump, the shoot up of the Republican baseball game. Nor Judge Kavanaugh. Nor Gabby Giffords.

      This assassination made me think of, before your time, JFK, MLK and RFK. And Reagan. That wasn't the point of these posts.

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  2. The idea that you think the "nasty rhetoric" mostly comes from the left defies logic. You said "Biden was a nasty president" and "Obama spoke more nicely, his words were anything but". But you backed that up with zero evidence. Here's a list of hateful and inciteful things prominent Republicans have said or done over the past several years:

    1. The Republican president of the United States of America pardoned ALL January 6 rioters - if that isn't encouragement for political violence than I don't know what is. This list includes the most violent offenders including:
    ⦁ Enrique Tarrio - the former leader of the Proud Boys, who was convicted of seditious conspiracy. According to the prosecutors, evidence showed his group viewed themselves as "Trump's army", were "willing to commit violence on his behalf", and were committed to "all-out war" to stop Biden from taking office.
    ⦁ Stewart Rhodes - the founder of the Oath Keepers, a far-right anti-government militia, who was convicted of seditious conspiracy. Notably, 4 days after the January 6th attack on the Capitol he was quoted as saying: "My only regret is that they should have brought rifles... We should have brought rifles. We could have fixed it right then and there. I'd hang fucking Pelosi from the lamppost."
    ⦁ David Dempsey - Sentenced to 20 years in prison for being "one of the most violent rioters, during one of the most violent stretches of time, at the scene of the most violent confrontations at the Capitol on January 6, 2021", according to prosecutors. Before he assaulted officers, Dempsey stood in front of a gallows that had been set up near the Capitol, which included a sign that said, "this is art." Dempsey, known to online sleuths as #FlagGaiterCopHater because of his American flag face covering and his assaults on officers, indicated he thought the gallows should be used to hang politicians he dubbed "worthless cretins" in video cited by prosecutors. "String all these f---in’ worthless bastards up from the top of those," he said in the video, pointing to the gallows, "these treelines, the rafters, the rooftops, the statues, I don’t care where they go. String ’em up and string ’em up high. And let everybody know this is what happens when you are a treasonous piece of s--- who doesn’t belong in this f---in’ country and has this f---in’ country’s worst objective at heart."
    ⦁ Jonathan Pollock - He was charged with assaulting and impeding officers, including punching one officer in the face, pulling another down stairs, and stealing a police shield
    ⦁ Ryan Samsel - A man who breached the Capitol grounds first, knocking an officer unconscious.
    ⦁ Robert Palmer - Sentenced to over five years in prison for attacking police with a fire extinguisher, a wooden plank, and a pole.

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  3. 2. In an interview shortly after the Kirk shooting, rather than try to unify the nation, Trump used dehumanizing language to describe the left: “The radicals on the left are the problem,” he added. “And they’re vicious. And they’re horrible.”
    3. Trump shared this picture of Biden tied up in the back of a pickup truck: https://www.axios.com/2024/03/30/trump-biden-truth-social-image
    4. Calls from the right for "civil war" have been exploding on the internet since the shooting: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/12/technology/charlie-kirk-shooting-civil-war.html
    5. Stephen Miller recently called the Democratic Party an "extremist organization" that "does not fight for, care about, or represent American citizens. It is an entity devoted exclusively to the defense of hardened criminals, gang-bangers, and illegal, alien killers and terrorists." The level of virulence with which he said this is strikingly reminiscent of how well-known fascist leaders have demonized and dehumanized their opponents to make violence against them more acceptable. https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/democrats-trump-immigration-democracy/#:~:text=On%20August%2025%2C%20Stephen%20Miller,the%20shoulders%20might%20be%20justified.
    6. Charlie Kirk called for an "amazing patriot...to be a midterm hero, someone should and bail this guy out" in reference to Paul Pelosi's attacker - https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/charlie-kirk-bail-pelosi-attacker/?collection=471193
    7. Fox News host Brian Kilmeade advocated for the killing of mentally ill homeless people on live TV
    8. This list goes on and on.

    My point is not that the left is immune from political violence, but that it is far more prevalent on the right, both in word and in deed. This isn't just on the part of disturbed individuals, but is encouraged by the very top. What bigger sign do you need that political violence is okay as long as it's performed in support of Trump than his pardoning of every single January 6th insurrectionist? In addition to January 6th, far-right white supremacy and anti-Semitism have become one of the leading inspirations of mass shootings in this country: https://www.adl.org/resources/article/evergreen-high-school-shooters-online-activity-reveals-fascination-mass-shootings.

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  4. That was not the point of these posts. I know full well I can find hateful speech from both sides. I had no interest in listing thousands of stupid hate-filled comments.

    And in case anyone had any doubt, I condemn all acts of political violence.

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  5. The man who targeted and killed Democratic state lawmaker Melissa Hortman and her husband Mark in their home in Minnesota in June was a Trump supporter.

    • The man charged with the attempted assassination of Pennsylvania's Democratic governor, Josh Shapiro, in April was a Trump supporter.

    • The man convicted of orchestrating a series of shootings at the homes of four Democratic elected officials in New Mexico in 2022 was a Trump supporter.

    • The man who tried to kidnap then Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and assaulted her husband, Paul, in 2022 was a Trump supporter.

    • The men who wanted to hang Mike Pence on Jan 6, 2021, were Trump supporters.

    • The man who killed the son of Obama-appointed District Judge Esther Salas in 2020 was a Trump supporter.

    • The men who were convicted of trying to kidnap Michigan's Democratic governor, Gretchen Whitmer, in 2020 were Trump supporters.

    • The man who sent pipe bombs to the homes of Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, and other top Democrats in 2018 was a Trump supporter.

    • The man who killed left-wing activist Heather Heyer after driving his car into a crowd of counter-protesters in Charlottesville in 2017 was a Trump supporter.

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  6. Congratulations on your retirement! I look forward to reading your future blogs. You educate many of us on the facts.
    Sally

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  7. The DOJ recently deleted this study showing domestic terrorists are most often right wing extremists:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20250911165140if_/https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/306123.pdf

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